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Drawing a Dialogue, Episode 2: History of High Culture + Gatekeeping in “The Arts”


Drawing a Dialogue, Episode 2: History of High Culture + Gatekeeping in “The Arts”

Cathy G. Johnson

Artwork by e jackson.

Artwork by e jackson.

Drawing a Dialogue is a podcast discussing comics in historical + educational contexts by Cathy G. Johnson and e remus jackson.

Episode 2: Cathy + e talk about the evolution of high culture, Clement Greenberg (that guy!), how the Arts keeps the average person at arm’s length, and how comics can combat it.

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Episode Citation (chronologically as mentioned in podcast):

  • Greco-Roman academic traditions, advent of the printing press, etc: Norman Rockwell Museum

  • Matthew Arnold - Culture and Anarchy - Britannica

  • "Decorative Arts" - Link

  • Clement Greenberg, 1939, Avant-Garde and Kitsch - PDF

  • Clement Greenberg on Pop Art - YouTube

  • Arthur Danto, The Artworld - PDF

  • Simon Grennan - Image & Narrative

  • International Art English (IAE) - Triple Canopy

  • "Art museum membership" - Comiskey, D. S. (2016). “Drawing Conclusions.” Indianapolis Monthly, 40(2), 58.

  • "Diamond Comic Distributors, 268% growth" - Miller, J. J. (n.d.). Comichron: Yearly Rankings for Comic Book Sales - Comichron

  • MacDonald, H. (2013). How Graphic Novels Became the Hottest Section in the Library. Publishers Weekly, 260(18), 20-25 - Publishers Weekly

  • "Reading is a social activity" - Knoester, M. (2009). Inquiry into urban adolescent independent reading habits: Can Gee’s theory of Discourses provide insight? Journal of Adolescent & Adult Literacy, 52(8), 676-85.

  • Beaty, B. (2012). Comics Versus Art. Toronto : University of Toronto Press, c2012.

  • Brunetti, I. (2011). Cartooning: Philosophy and Practice. New Haven, CT: Yale University Press.

  • Adams, J. (1999). “Of Mice and Manga: Comics and Graphic Novels in Art Education.” Journal Of Art & Design Education, 18(1).

  • Malchiodi, C. A. (1998). Understanding Children’s Drawings. New York, NY: The Guilford Press.

  • Bayles, D., & Orland, T. (1993). Art & Fear: Observations on the Perils (and Rewards) of Artmaking

  • Erin La Cour, Comics as a Minor Literature - Image & Narrative

Further reading:

  • Tip of the Tongue by Vincenzo Latronico (response to IAE hypothesis) - Frieze

What are we reading?

  • Universal Harvester by John Darnielle

  • Boku no Hīrō Akademia (My Hero Academia) by Kōhei Horikoshi